This stupid rule should NEVER have been allowed to begin with.
A child born to anyone should be of whatever country the parents came from.
It is how (so far) Obama got away with his UN-natural born status. HE was not a Natural Born citizen of the United States... In fact we have no proof of WHO his 'father' really was.
As far as I have been able to discern, he was ILLEGITIMATE from conception to this very day.
Jackie Juntti
WGEN idzrus@earthlink.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/
By KATELYN CARALLE, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Donald Trump said Wednesday he is again considering issuing an executive order to get rid of the longstanding measure that guarantees citizenship to those born within the borders of the U.S.
'We're looking at that very seriously,' Trump told reporters before departing the White House to speak to veterans in Kentucky.
The president said the constitutional measure is 'ridiculous' because non-citizens are able to cross over the border just to have children that could then be deemed U.S. citizens.
'Birthright citizenship – where you have a baby in our land,' Trump explained. 'You walk over the border, have a baby, congratulations – the baby is now a U.S. citizens. We're looking at it very, very seriously.'
Trump appeared surprised that a reporter was aware that he was reupping consideration of singing an executive order on birthright citizenship.
'I don't know how you found that out, but that's very good,' Trump praised. 'We're looking at birthright citizenship very seriously. It's frankly ridiculous.'
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Donald Trump said Wednesday he is again considering an executive order that would abolish the 'ridiculous' birthright citizenship
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The president floated the idea of doing away with the constitutional measure last year as well
This is not the first time the president has floated abolishing birthright citizenship.
Last year, during the months leading up to the midterm elections, Trump said he was preparing an executive order to nullify the constitutional guarantee in the 14th amendment.
'We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years, with all of those benefits,' Trump said in an interview released in October 2018. 'It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end.'
Trump's biggest campaign promise was to crack down on illegal immigration and build a wall to stop people from unlawfully crossing the border and living off of U.S. benefits. He also said during the 2016 campaign that he would do away with birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants.
Last week the administration announced a new 'public charge' rule that would allow the government to deny entry to individuals it felt would likely end up relying on Medicaid, food stamps or other public benefits.
Reconsideration of the executive order also comes the same day the Department of Homeland Security rolled out a new plan that would allow the government to indefinitely detain migrants children.
Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan said the rule would finally replace the Flores Settlement Agreement, which stops children – and by extension their parents – from being detained for more than 20 days.
The first time around Trump tried to bring up the executive order, it was met with backlash – even from those within the Republican Party.
'You obviously cannot do that,' now-retired House Speaker Paul Ryan said in 2018.
President Trump says he is looking at birthright law 'very seriously'
With the crackdown on illegal immigration, it's likely that Trump could now move forward on the executive order he never acted on last year.
Vice President Mike Pence pushed back, claiming that the language of the constitution was not clear on if the 14th Amendment, which addresses citizenship, was referring to the children of those who were in the U.S. illegally.
'We all cherish the language of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has never ruled on whether the language of the 14th Amendment 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' applies specifically to people who are in the country illegally,' Pence said in a 2018 interview, just hours after Trump's comments on a potential executive order were reported.
The president cannot override amendments to the Constitution by executive order. They can only be changed or undone with an overwhelming majority of two-thirds in both chambers of Congress or through a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of state legislatures.
The U.S. government has traditionally held that section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which contains the Citizenship Clause, guarantees that right for all children born on American soil.
WHAT DOES THE CITIZENSHIP CLAUSE SAY?
'All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.'
The sentence that follows specifies citizen rights: 'No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'
HOW DID IT GET IN THE CONSTITUTION?
Congress passed the Fourteenth Amendment in 1866. It was ratified on July 9, 1868 by three-fourths of the states.
The amendment effectively nullified an 1857 Supreme Court decision – Dred Scott v. Sandford – which had held that people descended from slaves could not be citizens.
The amendment's opening sentence, which served to define its vocabulary, has become among the most controversial clauses in the entire Constitution.
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WHAT WAS THE GOAL OF REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS?
The Fourteenth Amendment was proposed and ratified to help blacks, especially emancipated former slaves, have a chance to integrate into society after the American Civil War. Congress wanted to prevent the U.S. states where they lived from sidestepping the efforts of Abraham Lincoln and other Republicans to guarantee their rights to 'life, liberty and property.'
By 1868, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation had freed slaves in southern U.S. states, but they still didn't have the same constitutional rights as citizens. That legal limbo led to the formation of 'Colonization Societies' that sought to remove them from the country and send them either to Caribbean islands or to Africa.
Some southern states also enacted 'Black Code' laws in a bid to preserve the rights of slave-owners by calling their slaves 'apprentices' who couldn't be removed from their 'service.'
Ohio Republican Rep. John A. Bingham, a friend of President Lincoln, proposed the amendment to remedy these problems, writing specific language to guarantee that any slave born on American soil would retroactively be declared a citizen.
Bingham wrote at the time that his text wasn't intended to create any new legal rights, but was 'simply a proposition to arm the Congress with the power to enforce the Bill of Rights as it stands in the Constitution today. It hath that extent – no more.'
COULD IT EXCLUDE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS' BABIES?
While the amendment was being debated, Michigan Republican Senator Jacob Howard, who drafted the amendment along with Bingham, said that was never his intention.
'This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons,' he said.
'It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States,' Howard added.
But it did not; the legislation made no mention of that, and at the time there was no concept of illegal immigration.
WAS THERE ANOTHER SIDE?
California Republican Sen. John Conness was concerned that U.S.-born children of the large number of Chinese immigrants in his state would end up without American citizenship.
Conness declared in a debate that the amendment 'proposed to declare that they shall be citizens,' adding that 'I am in favor of doing so.'
That point wasn't debated, but Howard also didn't object to Conness's interpretation, which twenty-first century immigration advocates often cite as proof that birthright citizenship is constitutional.
WHAT HAS THE SUPREME COURT SAID?
In 1873 the Supreme Court ruled that the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to exclude children of non-citizen immigrants.
That decision answered a narrow question, establishing that the 14th Amendment only guaranteed rights to people who were U.S. citizens, and didn't cover anyone who was only granted 'citizenship' by an individual U.S. state.
The majority opinion includes a note that 'the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to 'exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.'
Two years later the high court ruled that immigrants can only have automatic citizenship for their children when they – the adults – owe 'allegiance' to the U.S. and not to a foreign nation.
In 1898 the Supreme Court ruled that a specific Chinese immigrant's child was a citizen of the United States, citing the 14th Amendment's text. That decision has stood for 120 years, but it was decided decades before the concept of 'illegal aliens' was part of Americans' vocabulary.
More recently, at a dinner party in 2010, then-Justice Antonin Scalia said he believed Howard's original view was right – but for an unrelated reason.
He told his fellow guests that purposely including the words 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' suggested that people born in the U.S. weren't automatically citizens, especially if they were 'subject to the jurisdiction' of some other nation. He thought the words were included to rule out a large number of people.
Scalia, who died in 2016, allowed at the time that the way the modern U.S. interprets dual citizenships could also mean many people are be 'subject to the jurisdiction of' more than one country.
WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF TRUMP SIGNS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER?
If the president orders that the federal government must treat children of illegal immigrants born in the U.S. as non-citizens, two things would likely happen.
States where Democrats control the legislatures and that have Democratic governors would quickly enact laws doing the opposite. And civil rights groups would sue U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in federal court.
Whichever reaches a full boil first – the lawsuits or the question of the federal government's 'supremacy' over state laws – the whole thing will likely end up at the Supreme Court.
Trump has already appointed two justices, creating what some observers believe will be a 5-4 conservative majority. If that holds - and they rule in his favor - Trump will win the debate and his order will stand.
In that scenario, a future Democratic president, however, could undo it with an executive order of their own.
A child born to anyone should be of whatever country the parents came from.
It is how (so far) Obama got away with his UN-natural born status. HE was not a Natural Born citizen of the United States... In fact we have no proof of WHO his 'father' really was.
As far as I have been able to discern, he was ILLEGITIMATE from conception to this very day.
Jackie Juntti
WGEN idzrus@earthlink.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/
Donald Trump says he plans to end 'ridiculous' birthright citizenship with an executive order because 'You walk over the border, have a baby, congratulations – the baby is now a U.S. citizen'
- Donald Trump is again considering ending birthright citizenship through executive order
- 'We're looking at that very seriously,' Trump told reporters
- He also called the constitutional measure 'ridiculous'
- The 14th Amendment grants U.S. citizenship to anyone born within America's borders, including the children of undocumented immigrants
- Trump also floated getting rid of birthright citizenship in 2018
- A president is not able to override amendments to the Constitution through executive order
By KATELYN CARALLE, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Donald Trump said Wednesday he is again considering issuing an executive order to get rid of the longstanding measure that guarantees citizenship to those born within the borders of the U.S.
'We're looking at that very seriously,' Trump told reporters before departing the White House to speak to veterans in Kentucky.
The president said the constitutional measure is 'ridiculous' because non-citizens are able to cross over the border just to have children that could then be deemed U.S. citizens.
'Birthright citizenship – where you have a baby in our land,' Trump explained. 'You walk over the border, have a baby, congratulations – the baby is now a U.S. citizens. We're looking at it very, very seriously.'
Trump appeared surprised that a reporter was aware that he was reupping consideration of singing an executive order on birthright citizenship.
'I don't know how you found that out, but that's very good,' Trump praised. 'We're looking at birthright citizenship very seriously. It's frankly ridiculous.'
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Donald Trump said Wednesday he is again considering an executive order that would abolish the 'ridiculous' birthright citizenship
+3
The president floated the idea of doing away with the constitutional measure last year as well
This is not the first time the president has floated abolishing birthright citizenship.
Last year, during the months leading up to the midterm elections, Trump said he was preparing an executive order to nullify the constitutional guarantee in the 14th amendment.
'We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years, with all of those benefits,' Trump said in an interview released in October 2018. 'It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end.'
Trump's biggest campaign promise was to crack down on illegal immigration and build a wall to stop people from unlawfully crossing the border and living off of U.S. benefits. He also said during the 2016 campaign that he would do away with birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants.
Last week the administration announced a new 'public charge' rule that would allow the government to deny entry to individuals it felt would likely end up relying on Medicaid, food stamps or other public benefits.
Reconsideration of the executive order also comes the same day the Department of Homeland Security rolled out a new plan that would allow the government to indefinitely detain migrants children.
Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan said the rule would finally replace the Flores Settlement Agreement, which stops children – and by extension their parents – from being detained for more than 20 days.
The first time around Trump tried to bring up the executive order, it was met with backlash – even from those within the Republican Party.
'You obviously cannot do that,' now-retired House Speaker Paul Ryan said in 2018.
President Trump says he is looking at birthright law 'very seriously'
With the crackdown on illegal immigration, it's likely that Trump could now move forward on the executive order he never acted on last year.
Vice President Mike Pence pushed back, claiming that the language of the constitution was not clear on if the 14th Amendment, which addresses citizenship, was referring to the children of those who were in the U.S. illegally.
'We all cherish the language of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has never ruled on whether the language of the 14th Amendment 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' applies specifically to people who are in the country illegally,' Pence said in a 2018 interview, just hours after Trump's comments on a potential executive order were reported.
The president cannot override amendments to the Constitution by executive order. They can only be changed or undone with an overwhelming majority of two-thirds in both chambers of Congress or through a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of state legislatures.
BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP AND WHY IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION
President Trump says he wants to order the end of automatic citizenship for babies of illegal immigrants born in the United States.The U.S. government has traditionally held that section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which contains the Citizenship Clause, guarantees that right for all children born on American soil.
WHAT DOES THE CITIZENSHIP CLAUSE SAY?
'All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.'
The sentence that follows specifies citizen rights: 'No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'
HOW DID IT GET IN THE CONSTITUTION?
Congress passed the Fourteenth Amendment in 1866. It was ratified on July 9, 1868 by three-fourths of the states.
The amendment effectively nullified an 1857 Supreme Court decision – Dred Scott v. Sandford – which had held that people descended from slaves could not be citizens.
The amendment's opening sentence, which served to define its vocabulary, has become among the most controversial clauses in the entire Constitution.
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WHAT WAS THE GOAL OF REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS?
The Fourteenth Amendment was proposed and ratified to help blacks, especially emancipated former slaves, have a chance to integrate into society after the American Civil War. Congress wanted to prevent the U.S. states where they lived from sidestepping the efforts of Abraham Lincoln and other Republicans to guarantee their rights to 'life, liberty and property.'
By 1868, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation had freed slaves in southern U.S. states, but they still didn't have the same constitutional rights as citizens. That legal limbo led to the formation of 'Colonization Societies' that sought to remove them from the country and send them either to Caribbean islands or to Africa.
Some southern states also enacted 'Black Code' laws in a bid to preserve the rights of slave-owners by calling their slaves 'apprentices' who couldn't be removed from their 'service.'
Ohio Republican Rep. John A. Bingham, a friend of President Lincoln, proposed the amendment to remedy these problems, writing specific language to guarantee that any slave born on American soil would retroactively be declared a citizen.
Bingham wrote at the time that his text wasn't intended to create any new legal rights, but was 'simply a proposition to arm the Congress with the power to enforce the Bill of Rights as it stands in the Constitution today. It hath that extent – no more.'
COULD IT EXCLUDE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS' BABIES?
While the amendment was being debated, Michigan Republican Senator Jacob Howard, who drafted the amendment along with Bingham, said that was never his intention.
'This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons,' he said.
'It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States,' Howard added.
But it did not; the legislation made no mention of that, and at the time there was no concept of illegal immigration.
WAS THERE ANOTHER SIDE?
California Republican Sen. John Conness was concerned that U.S.-born children of the large number of Chinese immigrants in his state would end up without American citizenship.
Conness declared in a debate that the amendment 'proposed to declare that they shall be citizens,' adding that 'I am in favor of doing so.'
That point wasn't debated, but Howard also didn't object to Conness's interpretation, which twenty-first century immigration advocates often cite as proof that birthright citizenship is constitutional.
WHAT HAS THE SUPREME COURT SAID?
In 1873 the Supreme Court ruled that the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to exclude children of non-citizen immigrants.
That decision answered a narrow question, establishing that the 14th Amendment only guaranteed rights to people who were U.S. citizens, and didn't cover anyone who was only granted 'citizenship' by an individual U.S. state.
The majority opinion includes a note that 'the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to 'exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.'
Two years later the high court ruled that immigrants can only have automatic citizenship for their children when they – the adults – owe 'allegiance' to the U.S. and not to a foreign nation.
In 1898 the Supreme Court ruled that a specific Chinese immigrant's child was a citizen of the United States, citing the 14th Amendment's text. That decision has stood for 120 years, but it was decided decades before the concept of 'illegal aliens' was part of Americans' vocabulary.
More recently, at a dinner party in 2010, then-Justice Antonin Scalia said he believed Howard's original view was right – but for an unrelated reason.
He told his fellow guests that purposely including the words 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' suggested that people born in the U.S. weren't automatically citizens, especially if they were 'subject to the jurisdiction' of some other nation. He thought the words were included to rule out a large number of people.
Scalia, who died in 2016, allowed at the time that the way the modern U.S. interprets dual citizenships could also mean many people are be 'subject to the jurisdiction of' more than one country.
WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF TRUMP SIGNS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER?
If the president orders that the federal government must treat children of illegal immigrants born in the U.S. as non-citizens, two things would likely happen.
States where Democrats control the legislatures and that have Democratic governors would quickly enact laws doing the opposite. And civil rights groups would sue U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in federal court.
Whichever reaches a full boil first – the lawsuits or the question of the federal government's 'supremacy' over state laws – the whole thing will likely end up at the Supreme Court.
Trump has already appointed two justices, creating what some observers believe will be a 5-4 conservative majority. If that holds - and they rule in his favor - Trump will win the debate and his order will stand.
In that scenario, a future Democratic president, however, could undo it with an executive order of their own.
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