Wednesday, February 28, 2018

ACCURACY THE FACTOR - IT AINT ALWAYS SPEED

Submitted by: Terry Payne

MSM TRYING TO SHOW THEIR SMARTS BY BEING STUPID

URL:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/26/msnbc-host-handgun-bullets-ar
e-ineffective-in-stopping-school-shooters-because-t-n2453904


MSNBC anchors are claiming that teachers armed with handguns would be unable to
stop a school shooter because rifles shoot “three times faster.”

Anchor Lawrence O’Donnell said on his show Thursday night that “a bullet fired
from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun…and yet the president
and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school shooter.”
 <https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/967043934601072640>
You can’t fix stupid! The 9MM round has plenty of stopping power at nominal
ranges required in protecting a school environment. Review attached PICs of
rounds size. Here’s a sample of one of the best self defense rounds that are
widely available for civilian use. These products have also been verified to be
used by law enforcement
<http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/04/massad-ayoob-police-ammo-for-the-rest-of-us/>
agencies in the U.S. Remington developed an optimized round that uses a fully
brass jacket rather that copper gilding. The jacket is also “nose cut” which
assists with control of expansion.
Ammo tests resulted in 100% weight retention over several different velocities
with excellent barrier penetration results.
Features: Bonded bullet, brass jacket, nose cut, patented spiral pattern
Available Rounds:
9mm Luger 124 gr Brass Jacketed Hollow Point
9mm Luber 124 gr +P Brass Jacketed Hollow Point
9mm Luger 147 gr Brass Jacketed Hollow Point

*       9mm bullet weight is 115- 150 grains (7.5 g-9.5 g).
*       .223 bullet weight range from 40 to 85 grains (2.6 to 5.8 g), though the
most common loading by far is 55 grains (3.6 g).


Some data that refutes MSNBC’s Host on effectiveness of a 9 mm handgun versus
AR15 rifle in killing power. A bullet fired from an AR-15 does not travel 3x
faster than one from a handgun.  Typical speed is 2.24 difference from 9mm in
muzzle velocity.

AR-15—The .223 Remington round has great muzzle velocity. Spin that bullet out
of a 10:1 twist (or faster) barrel at over 2,800 FPS (Feet Per Second) and the
bullet will fly true, be extremely accurate and hit with a very impressive
amount of energy.
Effective firing range 550 Meters (600 yds)


Colt AR-15
 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AR-15_Sporter_SP1_Carbine.JPG>
A carbine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine>  variant of the Colt AR-15
Type    Semi-automatic rifle
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_rifle>
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service      1963–present
Production history
Designer        Eugene Stoner <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner> ,
Jim Sullivan <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._James_Sullivan> , Bob Fremont
Manufacturer    Colt
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt%27s_Manufacturing_Company>
Variants        see List of Colt AR-15 & M16 rifle variants
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Colt_AR-15_%26_M16_rifle_variants>
Specifications
Barrel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel>  length       *       20
inches (510 mm) (standard)
*       16 inches (410 mm) (carbine)
*       24 inches (610 mm) (target)

Cartridge <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)>  *
.223 Remington <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington>
*       5.56×45mm NATO <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO>
Action <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(firearms)>        Direct
impingement <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_impingement>
Effective firing range  ~550 metres (600 yd)
Feed system     Issued with 5-, 10-, 20- & 30-round STANAG magazines
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_magazine>
Sights  *       Fixed adjustable front and rear iron sights
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_sight>
*       Detachable carrying handle with adjustable rear iron sight assembly
*       Picatinny rails, which allows the use of various scopes and sighting
devices


Beretta 9mm handgun—Muzzle velocity 1250 FPS (Feet Per Second)
Effective firing range-50 – 100 Meters (54 yds – 109 yds)
Maximum firing range – Up to 1800 Meters (1969 yds)


Beretta M9
 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M9-pistolet.jpg>
Type    Semi-automatic pistol
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol>
Place of origin Italy and the United States
Service history
In service      1985–2017
Used by United States Armed Forces
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces>
Wars    *       Persian Gulf War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War>
*       The Troubles <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles>
*       Somali Civil War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Civil_War>
*       Kosovo War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War>
*       War in Afghanistan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932014)>
*       Iraq War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War>
Production history
Designed        1980s
Manufacturer    Beretta <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta>
Produced        1990–present
Variants        M9A1
Specifications
Weight  Unloaded - 34.2 oz (970 g)
Length  217 mm (8.5 in)
Barrel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel>  length       125 mm (4.9 in)

Cartridge <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)>  9×19mm
Parabellum <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9719mm_Parabellum>
Action <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(firearms)>        Short recoil
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil_operation>
Muzzle velocity <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_velocity>         381 m/s
(1,250 ft/s)
Effective firing range  50-100 m
Maximum firing range    up to 1800 m
Feed system     15-round detachable box magazine
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_magazine>
Sights  Iron sights <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_sight>


MSNBC Host: Handgun Bullets Are Ineffective In Stopping School Shooters Because
They're Too Slow

Matt Vespa <https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa>
|
Posted: Feb 26, 2018 3:00 PM

UPDATE: Folks, I’ll just leave this here. It’s from Sen. Dianne Feinstein
(D-CA) linking to a Rolling Stone article, so you already know where this is
going.
“A handgun wound is simply a stabbing with a bullet.”

Sen Dianne Feinstein <https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein>
✔@SenFeinstein
"A handgun [wound] is simply a stabbing with a bullet. It goes in like a nail."
With the high-velocity rounds of the AR-15, "it’s as if you shot somebody with a
Coke can." http://rol.st/2Esd8Hp  <https://t.co/xkyw3pEtjn>  #BanAssaultWeapons
<https://twitter.com/hashtag/BanAssaultWeapons?src=hash>
6:54 PM - Feb 26, 2018
<https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/968272994119376896>
<https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=968272994119376896>
Talk about a facepalm moment. Is it the media’s stupidity or stacking sandbags
because they know this National Rifle Association initiative could gain
traction? You decide. The NRA wants more armed guards in schools. Teachers
should be allowed to carry as well. After the tragic Sandy Hook shooting, the
school board voted to approve this proposal. This is not an alien concept. A lot
of schools have resource officers; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, the
site of the most recent school shooting on February 14, had such officers. They
failed to engage the shooter, Nikolas Cruz. Scores of teachers in Ohio are
signing up for gun training courses to obtain their concealed carry permits. So,
since the NRA is akin to ISIS in the minds of the liberal media, what do you do?
Well, if you’re MSNBC, apparently it’s to make the argument that handguns aren’t
effective in stopping shooters, who are armed with rifles, because the bullets
from pistols are too slow.  I will repeat that: handgun ammunition travels so
slow that its ineffective at stopping someone armed with a rifle (via Daily
Caller
<http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/23/msnbc-handguns-are-too-slow-to-stop-a-school-
shooter/?utm_source=site-share
> ):
MSNBC anchors are claiming that teachers armed with handguns would be unable to
stop a school shooter because rifles shoot “three times faster.”
Anchor Lawrence O’Donnell said on his show Thursday night that “a bullet fired
from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun…and yet the president
and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school shooter.”
 <https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/967043934601072640>

MSNBC <https://twitter.com/MSNBC>
✔@MSNBC
Lawrence: A bullet fired from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a
handgun.

And yet the president and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school
shooter http://on.msnbc.com/2EMqOkz  <https://t.co/heze69kRDU>
9:30 AM - Feb 23, 2018 <https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/967043934601072640>
 <https://t.co/heze69kRDU>

Lawrence: The president lives in a fantasy world
After President Donald Trump proposed arming teachers and hiring former
soldiers and Marines to patrol American schools, Lawrence O'Donnell argues the
president's ideas are fantasy and his staff is...
msnbc.com <https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=967043934601072640>
Yeah, there is a difference, but we’re talking tenths of a second here. Also,
veteran J.R. Salzman seemed confused with this narrative: didn’t two Capitol
Police officers stop a shooter from assassinating scores of Republicans in
Alexandria as they were practicing for the annual congressional baseball game?
Uh, yeah—they did. They confronted the shooter, they engaged him; he turned out
to be a Bernie Sanders supporter, and they neutralized the threat. House
Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) was almost killed in the attack.
<https://twitter.com/jrsalzman/status/967605915095482368>

J.R. Salzman@jrsalzman <https://twitter.com/jrsalzman>
Where did this BS narrative come from that you can’t stop a rifle with a
handgun? When has that ever been a thing? Are people’s memories really so short
they don’t remember Capital Police stopping a Bernie bro with an SKS shooting at
congressman on a baseball field?
10:43 PM - Feb 24, 2018
<https://twitter.com/jrsalzman/status/967605915095482368>
*        <https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=967605915095482368>
This is the reason why the media will always lose the Second Amendment fight.
Millions of Americans own firearms. They know the caliber, they know its
capabilities, and they also know what the proper terminology is (i.e. automatic
vs. semiautomatic). I’m not talking super technical gunsmith jargon, just basic
details about the gun. They know what they have and the media’s pervasive
failure to learn what they’re talking about will never allow them to win over
Americans they need to change the nature of gun politics. That’s because the
alternative floated by the Left is straight up gun confiscation, evisceration of
the Second Amendment, and the stripping of American civil rights. That’s also
another reason why they’ll never win. We know their game. It’s this type of
trash peddled by MSNBC that makes for great entertainment.

Terry Payne

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